To be honest, I don't think abortion is a good thing. I can't go into a deep explanation right now.

Anyway. On the first page, Fairly gave some statistics for rape victims who did not wan't an abortion. I believe that just because they did not wan't it does not mean the option should not be available for other rape victims.

Also, I can tell how traumatizing getting an abortion would be. I mean. I can imagine that anybody who just woke up after the surgery would have an image of the baby they just aborted all bloody an dead, and that must be tough to deal with.

Oh and an abortion at 12? I always thought that those assembelys about s3x were unesisary.... But I guess there not.

Simple list:

1. Abortion is a right.

2. It's a right because kids shouldn't just be left to take care of children. [EDIT] Kids = Persons under 18.

3. We can all fail.

4. The world is not made to help underage kids with children.

5. I believe that abortion is a good thing.

6. A unborn child becomes a person when it starts arguing.

7. Please don't bump this kind of topic if you just want to state that you hate abortion.

8. What is the meaning of life? We need the answer to this to able to know if abortion is right or wrong.

9. I'd like to say that the meaning of life is arguing. How can you just let everybody do whatever they want to you. Everybody who lives lives because humanity needs changing. If we all just did what we where told to do, what would the meaning of your life be?

(List form cause I want it to be easy to answer me.)

In the second instance, there was no reason to not give the child up for adoption to a family who couldn't have a child who would give the child a chance at a life they could not otherwise provide.

In the third instance, adoption is also another choice, that is what no one seems to know, the aftereffects of abortion are long and can come up over time. And an abortion at TWELVE? That could leave her STERILE, yes abortion can leave you sterile, that could have horrible effects on her afterwards. Not only sterility but abortion
Abortion also increases your risk of breast cancer, as well as

(1) You will be more likely to bleed in the first three months of future pregnancies.

(2) You will be less likely to have a normal delivery in future pregnancies.

(3) You will need more manual removal of placenta more often and there will be more complications with expelling the baby and its placenta.

(4) Your next baby will be twice as likely to die in the first few months of life.

(5) Your next baby will be three to four times as likely to die in the last months of his first year of life.

(6) Your next baby may have a low birth weight.

(7) Your next baby is more likely to be born prematurely with all the dangerous and costly problems that entails.

Then there is the potential laceration of the cervix and what is known as post-abortion syndrome where
they may have dreams over and over about the abortion, avoidance of emotional attachment, relationship problems, sleep disturbance, guilt over having SURVIVED while their child died, depression, substance abuse, etc, now add all that on TOP of the psychological problems that rape causes. It's NOT exactly a very nice picture.

These complications are increased the younger the person is who gets the abortion.

There is of course celibacy before marriage which is always the best choice, unfortunately rape still occurs. Also in this entire post WHERE did someone pass a judgement on someone? I may have said abortion is a horrible thing but no one ever stated that the persons having the abortion was a horrible person, I think they have been put in a horrible situation and are being taken advantage of because they are young and scared.

So here we go, you have a choice to be sterile for the rest of your life, you have a choice to increase your risk of committing suicide, you have a choice of increasing your risk of breast cancer, you have a choice to most likely miscarry your next child, you have a choice to cause future complications with your future children, you have a choice of risking having to go into surgery again because the doctor "forgot" something, you have a choice of bladder or bowel injury, etc etc.

The first one is a girl who has done abortion four times. I think this is very sad because it doesn´t seem like she has so much respect to life, and not to herself either. It´s terrible. (No shadow on her though, I´m not trying to say that she is a bad person.)
I know that she´s far from unique and I think that it´s the societys responsibility to prevent this from happening by teaching people about the risks having sex brings, and also how to protect themselves from unwilling pregnacys.

A couple of years ago I got to know a man who just had broked up with his girlfriend. Just a week after the break up she found out that she was pregnant. They tried to go back together because of the child, but it didn´t work out at all (why is really not your business).
He and I were talking about it a lot and he told me that he, more than anything, wanted a child. But, he didn´t want to share a baby with a person he hated, and that he wanted to be a dad who could be there for his child every day.
Very selfish of him, maybe, yes. But I think that his feelings are important and counts too. You could say that he didn´t have any respect of life, but you can also turn it the other way around. He respected his child so much so he only wanted it if he could give it everything. And a child is something that changes your life forever, not just the first twenty years or so.

The last person I want to tell you about is a girl who got raped and pregnant when she was twelwe years old. Is it right to lay the weight of a child on someone who´s not grown up herself? An abortion are of course not a good or nice choice, but with good help of all kinds it might be the best. Maybe not for everyone, but if it is the right thing for one girl, well, then I think she should have the right to do it.

All those storys ended in abortions - right or wrong I don´t know, I don´t feel like the right person to judge that. Do you actually have the right to judge other people and their choices? Think about that.
I don´t have any kids of my own, but I think that carrying and giving birth to a baby is such a big deal for the woman that she should have the right to say no. And, again, I think lots of tragedies could be prevented with the right help and information. There´s where we should try to put our energy.

The choice is given to the mother because they are meant to be mature enough to consider what is right and wrong for both the baby and the mother. Obviously, this isn't always true. But I don't really see any other way.

Should it be the doctor's choice? The husband's choice? The mother's choice in this context makes the most sense.

I hardly think anyone can fully describe the side effects of having something live inside of you and then have it ripped out.

artisticplatypus I would appreciate it if you would go back and read through this thread because its becoming quite apparent that you have not. There are a lot of things you are repeating that have already been discussed.

I have an idea, if we are becoming overpopulated, who will be the first to offer up THEIR life to keep population under control? Or should we just draw straws? That gives you as much of a choice as the child in the mother's womb.

I would also like to point out that many women put in the situation where they are considering an abortion feel like they have NO choice. That abortion is the ONLY way. Recently there was a story that was released of a woman who had an abortion because she thought it was the only way, she then hung herself and left a suicide note telling everyone she left to be with her children. Pregnancy REDUCES suicidal tendencies whereas abortion INCREASES the tendencies, that is a psychological fact. In fact it is a 248% GREATER chance they will commit suicide.

So, 75 out of 85 rape victims do not want abortion? So what? As i said, legalizing =/= forcing. And if 75 out of 85 does not want to do abortion, there is still 10 who does.
Besides, the first person quoted said that nobody told her about the side effects. That means people have to get that information before making their choice, nothing else.
May i ask something else? Have anyone asked the rape victim children how it is to know that they only exist thanks to a rape?
I find it pretty impossible that about 6 708 700 100 is too little. Though, i do not think we should do more abortions to keep the population number down. I just think that we shouldn't keep aborttions illegal in order to make the human population bigger. When mankind where just a few thousand ape-like beings, we still survived, so it can't be that much of a problem.
You can't see how killing animals for food corresponds with abortion? Well, in both cases it is killing other beings to make our lives more.. comfortable.
Gottago, so i can't write anything more right now.

I'm pretty sure that giving a person a chance to exist isn't a bad thing, no matter what the circumstances are.

I think it's not wrong. It's a choice and the mother is the one that decides if it's wrong or bad.

^That's what the law here states now (ultimately the choice is left to the mother; not anyone else).

And I generally agree with that. I think you can only get an abortion in the first 20 weeks or something of pregnancy. Basically, before it's possible to have the child and have it survive through technology (breathing apparatus etc.)

And on the issue of abortion: From what FO and WJUK have covered, I have learned so much more about this topic, and I thank them. The story FO told about the drowned fetus disgusted me. I happen to have a niece. If she wasn't in my life, who knows what my life would have been like. I am completely pro-life.

I find it pretty impossible that about 6 708 700 100 is too little. Though, i do not think we should do more abortions to keep the population number down. I just think that we shouldn't keep aborttions illegal in order to make the human population bigger. When mankind where just a few thousand ape-like beings, we still survived, so it can't be that much of a problem.

You can't see how killing animals for food corresponds with abortion? Well, in both cases it is killing other beings to make our lives more.. comfortable.

Gottago, so i can't write anything more right now.

The one situation I understand is when the mother is in danger of dying because usually in those instances its most likely the child wouldn't survive anyway. Ectopic pregnancies for instance . . . although I think I already covered that . . . did I? hm

The murder thing is a bit exaggerated but you get the point across. Underpopulation is starting to become more of a problem especially in richer countries. Since people wait later to start having kids and tend to have less.

Anyway, back on-topic: We kill animals for food. Which is nature's way. Granted, we do it in a large industrial scale nowadays but it's still killing animals for food. Predator's hunt prey for food, that's how the food chain works. Yes, it seems unfair that us humans get to sit pretty atop the food chain (most of the time) but it's been a bloody crawl up to the top. And "we kill them daily" implies that us (as in the actual people) kill the animals. I haven't known anyone who has killed an animal on purpose in a while. I've only done it once (to a Lobster no less...) in my life and it wasn't exactly a pleasant experience.

But we don't kill other human beings because we somehow feel it's wrong to kill one of our own kind.

About the rape thing: I still think that abortions should be allowed for situations like this; seeing as if the child was born it could be a repeated reminder of the horrible things the mother endured. Which is a pity, since the child could (and should really) be seen as something else entirely. A new life. Something the mother should be proud of.

Other instances where I believe abortions should be allowed: Where the mother or the foetus is in danger of dying.