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SPCC
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Time travel has had a lot of controversy due to paradoxes and such. People are always saying "Why is that there if it hasn't happened yet?" and such.

It all basically boils down to 2 main theories.

The "Timeline of Change" Theory:
Time travellers who meddle must fix their actions because they have changed time, and have memories of nonexistant alternate timelines, causing them to cease to exist. Their memories are proof of the fact that they come from a separate part of the timeline's timeline, and paradoxes cause people to nonexist, instead of the universe spazzing out and imploding.

The "Written in Stone" Theory:
The future or past cannot change, and anything you try to do to change an event will either do nothing, or, more plausibly, cause it to happen in an unpredicted way. Things cannot change.

Personally, I think (neither italicizing nor boldening the single letter I does any change, and underlines look just plain weird!) that the "Timeline of Change" Theory is bullsh*t. It doesn't work out. If that happened, since they came from a nonexisting timeline to alter it to the current one, wouldn't they have no recollection of the former, nonexistant timeline, because they were from the current, existing timeline?

Terminator is a good example of The "Written in Stone" theory, as the Terminator's plans are foiled by Sarah. She realized the father of her son was sent to the past, and became the reason the father of her son was sent to the past.

Time Warp Trio's Napoleon episode is a good example of the "Timelines of Change" Theory. In the end, the implausible memory of Maybelle's creates the timeline of timelines paradox.

Back to the Future is a good example of the horrible combination of the 2 theories.
The "Timelines of Change" Theory counts in when Marty gets back to a family he doesn't remember. There was also an almost-paradox on when Doc dies, and Marty writes the letter, but that paradox is healed when Doc looks like he's died until the moment when Marty travels to 1955.
The "Written in Stone" Theory counts in at parts like the song, or the Mayor.

Also, I think that the 5th through 10th dimentions being probability is full of bullsh*t as well.

Convince me that the "Timelines of Change" Theory is the more plausible one.

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Personally I think time is more like a big ball of wibbley-wobbly, timey-wimey...stuff...

Sorry, I just had to say that.
But I like to think the 'set in stone' theory is more correct. But there is absolutely no way of knowing until somebody actually invents a time machine. I think that'd be unlikely though, because if it was invented, wouldn't there be a lot of time-tourists all around us?

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WJUK
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Alright, here's how I see it:

Either, there are multiple timelines running in parallel and the act of going back in time itself will cause a split in spacetime thus forming a split in the timeline at that exact moment regardless. Anyone not involved with the actual time-travel will not be affected in any way, their lives continue to be lived out as normal. And the timetraveller essentially meddles with the alternate universe. But it also means they are stuck in that one, so if you change something big, everything can change via the Butterfly Effect. But if, say, you go back and kill your grandfather, you'll still exist because you're technically a remnant of the other timeline.

Or, nothing can be changed. Like your set in stone theory. If we take the Grandfather paradox above as an example. Say you want to kill your grandfather by shooting him, but something always prevents it from happening.

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Personally I feel like time travel is impossible.

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PinkSombrero
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I suggest reading Slaughterhouse Five. It's not to be taken as fact but it does give a few nice points about time travel.

Now, the problem with time travel is the fact that we haven't established time as an element yet, let alone as a fact. Only once we are entirely sure if it exists (and how it exists) can we attempt at harnessing it. I believe WJUK's answer would be the closest to a plausible theory, as there cannot be a set path for everything.

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WJUK
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One theory is that we can only time-travel to the point where we first invent time-travel. And nothing before that.

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Personally I feel like time travel is impossible.

Have to say the same really. Based on what we know we can only "travel" in time in one direction. Now, time is of course more complicated than that, but we don't need to know more.

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I also feel like people who think the fourth dimension is time are immature. A second dimensional creature would not be able to perceive the 3rd dimension and we can not understand the fourth dimension but we can understand time.

Some people believe that fourth dimensional creatures can time travel and I think that doesn't make any sense.

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WJUK
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Well the fourth dimension is usually perceived as time. And if you think of dimensions as axes, in 2 dimensions you'll have the x and y. Then the 3rd dimension adds the z. The next logical step would be the introduction of time to percieve movement across spacetime.

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SPCC
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Well, we obviously can't see 2nd dimensional creatures, so can 4th dimention creatures see us? We see in the 2nd dimention, I know, I know, SP shouldn't 4s see in the 3rd?

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DaxterSpeed
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Why should there even exist creatures in the other dimensions?

As of know, the only thing we know for sure is that creatures can exist in the third dimension. That on itself is a wonder.

[EDIT] Also, as of now, nothing is written in stone. But we can actually calculate everything. Given all knowledge in the world, we can know exactly everything. The problem is of course that this itself is a paradox, mainly as you need to know everything to know everything, but also because of the fact that there's always new things to know.

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PinkSombrero
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I also feel like people who think the fourth dimension is time are incorrect.

FTFY. Let's not get personal on this. It's a perfectly plausible theory.

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liphttam1
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Yeah I didn't mean to offend anyone sorry. It's the midterm weeks you know stressed out and all.

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PinkSombrero
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I had a math provincial this morning. Boring, and long. ARRRGH.

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WJUK
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@DS: I think you're talking about the hypothesis about how if you could chart the original source and movement of all the atoms in the universe at it's conception, then you'd be able to, essentially, predict and know the future due to this. It's like knowing how neurons will fire in someone's brain and thus their actions.

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D A S C
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Well, we obviously can't see 2nd dimensional creatures, so can 4th dimention creatures see us? We see in the 2nd dimention, I know, I know, SP shouldn't 4s see in the 3rd?

SPCC,

I'm not really sure that creatures in the 4th Dimension(Time) can see us, they'd probably see us as Semi-Tachyonic, though.

Ahem.

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@DS: I think you're talking about the hypothesis about how if you could chart the original source and movement of all the atoms in the universe at it's conception, then you'd be able to, essentially, predict and know the future due to this. It's like knowing how neurons will fire in someone's brain and thus their actions.

Well currently on a pool table, we can only accurately predict a bounce of a billiard ball 3 times. I don't think were close at all to being able to do what you're thinking about. It seems like a viable hypothesis it's just one that can never be tested.

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D A S C
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@L1: What you said makes me think of Psychohistory. Asimov? Foundation? Anyone?

Ahem.

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DaxterSpeed
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Tip: There's most likely no other creatures in other dimensions.

If so that the fourth dimension is time, then we'd already be fourth dimension creatures.

Someone seriously mixed something up when they thought of creatures living in other "dimensions".

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well good

also time4=bs

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